In this episode of Sex, Love, and Addiction, Dr. Rob welcomes Dr. Jamie Marich, an EMDR therapy master trainer and the author of several books, including Trauma and the Twelve Steps and Trauma Made Simple. On this week’s show, Rob and Jamie discuss links in the healing process between 12 step programs and trauma therapy. They also discuss Jamie’s philosophy with 12 step programs and why she feels it’s important to update the language in those programs to help people grow and recover.